Spectators?

[sethja]

Just wondering who the spectators are, well I do not care who just hopefully not people on teams participating in the tournament. I realize the point to catch hacks, etc. But being able to view another teams positions in a match I dont really find it believable that they would not take advantage of it. I am sure there are lots of people not in the tourny available that can do it.

[Howlin]

Just wondering who the spectators are, well I do not care who just hopefully not people on teams participating in the tournament. I realize the point to catch hacks, etc. But being able to view another teams positions in a match I dont really find it believable that they would not take advantage of it. I am sure there are lots of people not in the tourny available that can do it.
Think u worry for noting, have a little faith, we are in this for the fun of it. (we are so few left in NOVAWORLD). We all know eachother, dont think anyone would cheat of the teams in this tour, especially those running this.

[sethja]

I don't really put my faith in that in that at all...there is no way you wouldnt naturally think about where you saw people in a match and use that. Sorry just doesent seem cool, people who arent in the tournament should be spectators, provides a very biased position and obviously they know the teams strats they watch. It would be no different then getting a teams forum password and reading up what they are doing and be expected to remain neutral.

[Howlin]

I don't really put my faith in that in that at all...there is no way you wouldnt naturally think about where you saw people in a match and use that. Sorry just doesent seem cool, people who arent in the tournament should be spectators, provides a very biased position and obviously they know the teams strats they watch. It would be no different then getting a teams forum password and reading up what they are doing and be expected to remain neutral.
Dont know about that, the only tactic KIA ever had was speed, "adabt and overcome", exept in TDM where its diffrent, stay low let them come to us mentality.

We all played those maps more then once, dont think there are any big secret hideing place in those maps,
if u worry about tactices the other team will leave u behind.

Just my opinion of course :):rolleyes:

anyway u have to adapt if u got shot from a strange/new place. im never on the same places in the same map when i play matches. i can be anywahre depending on the circumstances.

[Ninjaman]

The only people in the servers apart from the competing teams are the Tournament Admins / Mods. Matches are not open to all to view, though the Admins may take some Fraps footage of the matches at times for the website.

[Toby]

I don't really put my faith in that in that at all...there is no way you wouldnt naturally think about where you saw people in a match and use that. Sorry just doesent seem cool, people who arent in the tournament should be spectators, provides a very biased position and obviously they know the teams strats they watch. It would be no different then getting a teams forum password and reading up what they are doing and be expected to remain neutral.

Then Hump should not play for JA when or if we play.. He practiced with us for two weeks when you guys were not going to play.. he knows everyones spot..:)

[Bojangles]

They actually are doing good things, #1 they are providing this tourny with mods. The people who i am assuming are mods that i know of, have actually played several other df games so they are aware of the glitches ect.
Only thing is, is the mods wont be able to catch everything

[sethja]

Then Hump should not play for JA when or if we play.. He practiced with us for two weeks when you guys were not going to play.. he knows everyones spot..:)

Unreal, I hope you do not ever reproduce. 2 weeks? By my knowledge he subbed in one scrim for you guys cause you needed a player, and Americas Army does not count. That was your teams choice to have him play, whos fault is that. We were always going to play, thats another assumption you have made the same as you were hoping he would play for you, both bad.

Yes Ninja I recognize that only Tournament Mods and Admins will be viewing matches, my point is if they are playing as well or their teams are playing it provides a seriously unfair advantage (And I don't give a shit about prizes, keep that in mind) and we are supposed to assume that they will not use this advantage, if they are not participating I can see that on a little faith, but if they have watched the other teams play and then are facing one of them its only going to be a natural reaction to remember what they saw and adapt because they have to. Like I said the concept is great the approach is wrong you need independent people from the tournament providing that security.

[Toby]

Easy seth i am just fucking with you..

[sethja]

When you are constantly trying to deal with things being done incorrectly, for no reason I might add, its easy to become agitated. Just assume I have no sense of humour and I am hostile to begin with.

[Howlin]

Yes, Toby is just fucking u :)

[Toby]

i always give a reach around when i am done..

[Jason]

imagine how upset youd get if u guys played cod and got shoutcasted lol. omg our tactics!

[Prescription]

not to butt in, but hump even said you guys were not playing.

shows how organized you guys are.

:rolleyes:

[sethja]

What was said and what is being done seems like two difference things doesent it? Besides if he was joking why the hell would you make such a comment. Hump just plays he doesent care about much else. so unless he sees it, he doesent know. The same goes for you fools.

Shoutcasted? COD is an entirely different game obviously if you played at any high level you would understand that and something of the sort would make little difference, tactics mean very little as the game relies on talent and game is built correctly. My point remains the same, people shoutcasting your games are not the ones who are going to be playing sweet jesus.

[Bojangles]

i believe this topic turned 180 degree's.
its all hear say. sarah said molly got fake tits, molly claims they are real, and the plastic surgeon had a 3some with molly and sarah :eek:

[Jason]

What was said and what is being done seems like two difference things doesent it? Besides if he was joking why the hell would you make such a comment. Hump just plays he doesent care about much else. so unless he sees it, he doesent know. The same goes for you fools.

Shoutcasted? COD is an entirely different game obviously if you played at any high level you would understand that and something of the sort would make little difference, tactics mean very little as the game relies on talent and game is built correctly. My point remains the same, people shoutcasting your games are not the ones who are going to be playing sweet jesus.

You are joking right? at the top level the only thing that seperates the teams is tactics, anyone can point and click. And Anyone can watch the shoutcasts so the other teams will be able to see it..........

[sethja]

You are joking right? at the top level the only thing that seperates the teams is tactics, anyone can point and click. And Anyone can watch the shoutcasts so the other teams will be able to see it..........

The fuck? Where do you come up with this shit? At a high level tactics are nearly identical because the top teams know all of the most appropriate positions in any given situation on any side of every map. The difference is someone making the most appropriate decision in that situation at the given time due to their pure talent and reaction ability. Of course tactics can make a difference but assuming someone is Pro, there is only so much you can do in a given situation because the variables never change, ie. the maps are always the same.

And concerning this, there is no one or no team on any level of calibur of Pro teams in COD, so tactics make all of the difference in the world in this situation; further more this is not COD.

Hence my original point of it is not cool having members of teams you are competing against observing you're game play. Furthermore, we have developed ZERO tactics at this point as ls. can attest to scrimming us the other night, so I am not making this point not for simply my own benefit but for everyone involved. It is called improving the quality of service your provide so that there is a high demand. Yes economics can apply to the situation. If you are arguing against it, its simply A) You are a complete moron or B) This situation benefits you and you wish to maintain that benefit by not acknowledging the inapropriate position you hold. C) You're intentially trying to sabotage future demand for a tournament.

You fools continue to act hostile and try to flame, when first and foremost I am only trying to improve (VASTLY) the quality of tournament that is being offered here. Subsequently that improvement leeds to more interest in the game for other people and finally increases the quality of game for those who currently play. I have played in countless DF as well as COD etc. tournaments and when I make these suggestions, it is because I have had the unfortunate experience of going through what continually does not work and the luck to have seen it figured out properly and to provide that advice.

[Prescription]

It would be fine if you didn't act like gods gift to knowladge. You think your the only one whos played in tournaments? I can say that a dozen people on this site of haved in more tournaments then you, and lead/ran more tournaments then you. It's not that some of your complaints are ont legit. It's the way you go about them... maybe if you stepped off this higher-then-thouh mentality you wouldn't look like a jack-ass half the time.

[sethja]

You only make me look like God's gift to knowledge by continually looking like morons by acting in the manor you do, its a circular flow. You have no idea what experience I have because you do not know who I am or what I have done. I can only make an assumption of the experience here which appears very little based on the trajectory they have decided to take this tournament and the avenues they have chosen. I have no reason not to act like a "Jack-Ass" when a few individuals continue to make irrelevant arguments by arguing with baseless perspectives and unfounded information. You will notice I personally have a bias towards stupid people to the point I believe in eugenics. (Not Genocide)

Again, I think its great they are providing their own free time, well some I assume are paid in some indirect manner, either or they are providing their time to offer a tournament, however at the same time as you assume I have a God complex they also must for their inability to accept a different as well as correctly argued position.

[fivewall]

There are only so many spots and tactics on any given map. I would never rely on a strat being a secret in order to work. You execute tactics that are a pain in the ass to deal with whether you see them coming or not.

[Toby]

Seth,
Who cares.. Its one tournament on a shit game that will be dead the minute the tournament is over..

You are getting all worked up over nothing..

you are taking things to serious.. sorry i fucked with you.. Did you really think i was serious about hump? Good lord me and hump are friends i was just fucking around with you..

the tournament is not that important.. its just a game.. Really doesnt effect real life. Its a free tournament with prizes at the end... No cost to you or the squad.... No matter how well or poor its run its free and is provided to activate the community a little bit.. lots of people have dedicated personal time to get this thing going for us the dieing community of DFX2.. If things are that bad and you cant stand it... you can always just walk away..( i hope you dont)

As for the spectators.. I dont care if Pha does cheatah flips down the middle of the zone while were playing.. not a huge deal..:)

[sethja]

There is no hate here from myself to anyone, only passive instances of annoyance.

I for one like the Gameplay, its what has been done around it that makes it a bad game. If we were to take small aspects and fix them then we could have quite a decent game on our hands and not everyone would be wanting to book at first chance, its the little things that can make a difference. I mention the tourny setup the maps etc because all these add up to afflict the games potential which it does have a lot of and may have more if they actually do a decent update. However, I do try to take it a little serious because if the community did support it and try to make these changes then we could have something to like and we would not have to walk away, like I keep saying I am only trying to improve the quality that is all.

[Toby]

I agree seth, but the problem is nova is so far left of center on fixing this game, it stands little chance of making it.. For the future i hope they get their collective shit in one sack and make a good game that players will want to stay and play.. like the old days..
Pha and the boys have done the best they can with the POS that was handed them.. If it wasnt for them, the only servers available would be the nova stat servers.. I am sure Pha had a lot to do with nova releasing the code so he could host servers.. So with that in mind i am willing to give lots of forgiveness for any faults that had or have happened in this tournament.. because without it... well the game is dead..

T

[SnowBum]

Guys, calm down.

Whenever 2 teams are playing the mods spectating the game will be totally impartial and not be a member of either squad playing. There are also long time Nova players (more than 5-6 years Nova game experience) who are moderating who're not involved in the tournament other than for moderating purposes.

[sethja]

are moderating who're not involved in the tournament other than for moderating purposes.

Thats all that matters.