View Full Version : Stats for the tourney
Phaethon
07-18-2009, 01:07 PM
We should have all this wrapped and ready as well.
The uploader is almost fully ready to go
What stats will be tracked and how will those stats be used to declare an MVP for the tournament? Thanks
talent
07-19-2009, 02:56 PM
toby uses xfire, might as well hand over the mvp to him.
ShowMan.-II-.
07-19-2009, 03:38 PM
LOL! Always knew Tobe was a p2p hack.
fivewall
07-20-2009, 09:47 AM
Just kills/deaths? What about stats for non-tdm gametypes?
toby uses xfire, might as well hand over the mvp to him.
hey now no more making fun of something this serious.. i got like 4 pm from Maniac VVV today.. he said one more post and he was going to talk to John from NL and have him read my last twenty posts... And i would for sure get a player ban..
Boy o boy hope that doesnt happen right before this big tourny...
I guess i am the first poster to make fun of someone for spewing shit on the net.. Oh well...
NO MORE MAKING FUN im serious as a heart attack.. or at least a cold..:eek:
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FROM: MANIAC-VVV-
DATE: 07/20/2009 11:41:57
SUBJECTS: Re: Re: Re: Re: Disrespect
Toby.dfl wrote:
Whatever.. you fired the first shot and wouldnt stop.. now your embarrassed because your xfire conspiracy is wrong and the community made you a laughing stock.. get over it.
You sir are a liar, it was YOU who made a disrespecting comment about my post. (check the post PUNK)
Also, your a brain damaged idiot. X-fire makes you lag and I posed the proof. You didnt bother to read it.
Sorry you cant read. Sorry you think smoking doesnt cause cancer.
I done with you, one more misquote or harassing post from you and you will regret it.
You are a very sad excuse for a player and a worse one for a honset person
If you really want your last 20 posts at Nova read over by John, post again -PUNK-
PO3.Blackhawk
07-20-2009, 02:33 PM
wow this is nice lol j/k
Phaethon
07-20-2009, 04:20 PM
It will track all stats .. not just KD
Milenko
07-20-2009, 08:31 PM
F@ck him, post again. I will chime in. Xfire doesn't do anything while a game is running. Tell him to check the settings! moron.
talent
07-20-2009, 08:51 PM
You need to turn that crap around on him! I am sick of him threating everyone he comes in contact with. Who is john by the way. I want to email him. Funny how this idiot thinks he can call people names over and over yet you can say anything about xfire!
Back on topic
Will nasty pm's on nova be tracked or just k/d ratio.
talent
07-21-2009, 12:04 AM
It will track all stats .. not just KD
EVen though I am not a big believing in stats because I have seen someone just get beat down all map long but this person protected the most important area of the map or got in the zone with 2 seconds left to win it. I still think this is a cool think you are doing!
I do like the thought of a all captain vote on the MVP, which is chosen from the final two teams. Thats just me though!
killer21
07-21-2009, 03:49 AM
EVen though I am not a big believing in stats because I have seen someone just get beat down all map long but this person protected the most important area of the map or got in the zone with 2 seconds left to win it. I still think this is a cool think you are doing!
I do like the thought of a all captain vote on the MVP, which is chosen from the final two teams. Thats just me though!
Determining the MVP will not come from just a good kill/death ratio. It will be a number of things we look at when voting on the MVP.
talent
07-21-2009, 09:31 AM
Determining the MVP will not come from just a good kill/death ratio. It will be a number of things we look at when voting on the MVP.
Sounds good!
Determining the MVP will not come from just a good kill/death ratio. It will be a number of things we look at when voting on the MVP.
Would a case of beer influence your voting? Just curious..:cool:
ShowMan.-II-.
07-21-2009, 11:28 AM
I think I'll call John tonight and have him read your last 20 posts Toby. I hope you don't get banned b4 the tourney though. LOL! If he calls jon I'll call Tom! And DON"T make me call bill, I call Bill and it's ON!
killer21
07-21-2009, 11:32 AM
Would a case of beer influence your voting? Just curious..:cool:
lol. Afraid not. ;)
ShowMan.-II-.
07-21-2009, 11:36 AM
Yo Killer, a keg?
PO3.Blackhawk
07-21-2009, 04:47 PM
Yo Killer, a keg?
thats more like it, lol what you drink
Vanity
07-27-2009, 04:31 AM
fwiw think MVP should be decided by winning team, as they'll know who did what and when, e.g. the MVP might be the guy who scored the deciding flag in the toughest match etc.etc.
IMO stats don't mean a thing in match play as players have different roles and whilst a map end K/D ratio might be negative some of those kills could have been the most important in the match...
Howlin
07-27-2009, 05:12 AM
fwiw think MVP should be decided by winning team, as they'll know who did what and when, e.g. the MVP might be the guy who scored the deciding flag in the toughest match etc.etc.
IMO stats don't mean a thing in match play as players have different roles and whilst a map end K/D ratio might be negative some of those kills could have been the most important in the match...
Couldent agree more :)
nice post Van.
TL-sts-
07-27-2009, 05:13 AM
So you mean thats the MVP should be in the winning team then, so basiclly 50 dollars for 8 players and a 3d card for the winning team then ?
When spectating maybe they see a awsome flag run or something cool like that, a guy making many kills and scores alot of flags. A guy that do some good raping in tdm or have alot of kills and zone time in tkoth.
Howlin
07-27-2009, 05:21 AM
Dont know how it works inother squads but in KIA, people do what they are told, even if it means dieing 50 times takeing one little psp or keeping enuff of the enemys occupied so others can do there job.
killer21
07-27-2009, 05:24 AM
The MVP won't necessarily come from the winning team. For example, yesterday in the NTL vs KIA match, I saw some good players that could be considered. We have several people who will decide the MVP but what I look for is skills but also the ability to stand out by doing some extraordinary. That doesn't necessarily mean the person is on the winning team.
Howlin
07-27-2009, 05:35 AM
The MVP won't necessarily come from the winning team. For example, yesterday in the NTL vs KIA match, I saw some good players that could be considered. We have several people who will decide the MVP but what I look for is skills but also the ability to stand out by doing some extraordinary. That doesn't necessarily mean the person is on the winning team.
it would be nice if u could listen to the communication at the same time.
if u want u can listen in on our ts www.kia.kicks-ass.net.
Think all squads should give out there ts, could be some quite fun convos from the matches for the admins to listen to :) (as long they dont speak)
it would be nice if u could listen to the communication at the same time.
if u want u can listen in on our ts www.kia.kicks-ass.net.
Think all squads should give out there ts, could be some quite fun convos from the matches for the admins to listen to :) (as long they dont speak)
Bloody hell Death, is that two days off the suace??? Another post like that and there will be a job for you in PR!. :)
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Vanity
07-27-2009, 02:58 PM
The MVP won't necessarily come from the winning team.
Well it's 'your' tournament just think it would be very funny for the MVP not to come from the winning team - in fact I'd find it almost staggering.
And yes that means the winners get $50 and a decent gfx card - the MVP is unlikely to be the person with the best K/D ratio...or the most kills.
For example I played in a DF2 TKOTH tournament and in 1 half hour map I got 127 kills - that was never beaten ever, and in another map in the same tournament I went 74:9, but throughout the entire campaign the MVP(s) were the two zoners we had the guys who somehow got there through a torrent of lead and stayed alive long enough for the rest of us to get back to cover them.
Any1 who thinks stats mean anything in a tournament is retarded. This is teamplay, the best teams and players do the right thing for the team not for their stats. And whilst I may take the piss saying it was Virt- 3 NTL 0, I know that a match is never won by one person, but as a prediction, if DFL/ls win the final and Fivewall hasn't got a date with a real girl that night and plays then my $$ is on him being the MVP...
Phaethon
07-27-2009, 04:39 PM
Actually in the final match we would like to have both teams in seperate channels on the same TS or Ventrillo so that the MODS can listen to the comms
cleric
07-27-2009, 05:51 PM
Vanity you are not going to win it so don't worry about it.
Jason
07-27-2009, 08:08 PM
theyve already said the stats will not determine mvp so why are people still going on about it? The stats are more of an aesthitic thing for players to look at if the want. If you dont want to look at it dont, its not hard really.
HellYeah
07-27-2009, 08:12 PM
theyve already said the stats will not determine mvp so why are people still going on about it? The stats are more of an aesthitic thing for players to look at if the want. If you dont want to look at it dont, its not hard really.
I want to look..Im a stat whore were are they????
sethja
07-27-2009, 11:24 PM
Just a suggestion for determining the MVP, you could at least setup a vote that maybe used as a reference in conjunction with your stats tracker or whatever that is for determining the MVP. Stats I never believe are true measure, K/D a player can simply be looking out for themselves baiting, or setting up in a location that has no true bearing on the outcome of a map nor does it help their team, as an example. There are other flaws with other statistics as well, like racking up an immense amount of zone time, which would be impossible were they not under protection from better players controlling the map. Obviously there are many intangible things that players can do that cannot be measured. So maybe have all of the teams vote who they believe the MVP should be, obviously being unable to vote for their own teammates and for teams they did not play against (Simply looking at a screen shot of a team you didnt play and casting a vote eliminates the intangible things), this way it places emphasis on the two teams that made the finals will have played the most teams and of course will have made an impression on more adversaries. This way it also gives the due to the teams that made it to the finals. You could use such a vote as well as your stats counter and use the opinion of the participants to provide a more rounded award.
sethja
07-27-2009, 11:27 PM
Actually in the final match we would like to have both teams in seperate channels on the same TS or Ventrillo so that the MODS can listen to the comms
Are you guys not also participating in this tourny? I understand exactly what you are trying to do here and it is a nice way to help determine your decision for MVP, but at the same time if you are competing, in the future if by some ungodly heinous reason we are still using the same maps, you would have knowledge of another teams strategy by listening in.
sethja
07-27-2009, 11:29 PM
I dont know what the position is here or where to look, but are those who are voting and competing eligible, would seem like a conflict of interest.
Howlin
07-27-2009, 11:34 PM
wouldent worry to mutch abot that, its only a game :)
Maybe they will present 5 videos(fraps) and make a vote, how knows, beside it wont be me anyway.
More concerned what to do with all that money when we win :)
talent
07-28-2009, 12:04 AM
Yeah I was thinking about finally buying that Boat I have always wanted! WAIT!
sethja
07-28-2009, 02:50 AM
I would bring up the fact whether there was value of 0 - Infinitive, that isint a concern to me, its just a simple point of doing it right. Just a matter of providing a quality tournament at every level. People end up dissapointed and disenfranchised and pissed off and the following gets even worse.
It doesn't appear there can be one single avenue to pursue in naming an MVP. A vote could turn into who is most popular; leaving it to the squad could cause internal headaches. Maybe a list of final candidates could be made, accumulate their tournament stats based on maps played, game types, kills, deaths, flags scored, flag runners killed, flag saved, tkoth time in zone etc. Create a point scale for the different categories and make a total. A bit complicated but no matter how you slice it, naming the MVP will be hard to do.
killer21
07-28-2009, 07:31 AM
It doesn't appear there can be one single avenue to pursue in naming an MVP. A vote could turn into who is most popular; leaving it to the squad could cause internal headaches. Maybe a list of final candidates could be made, accumulate their tournament stats based on maps played, game types, kills, deaths, flags scored, flag runners killed, flag saved, tkoth time in zone etc. Create a point scale for the different categories and make a total. A bit complicated but no matter how you slice it, naming the MVP will be hard to do.
When we had a BHD tournament a few years ago, we discussed the MVP award for quite a while. Surfy (JDK) ending up getting it because he was the one that caught our eye. I think he won a Wide Screen monitor or something. The point is that we discuss several different players and everyone that is involved provides input. We come to a general consensus on the player and that is it. Again, it doesn't necessarily mean we just look at their K/D or the fact that they are on the winning team. A-Rod won the MVP in baseball a few years ago on a losing team. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison but you get the gist of that analogy. There will be a lot of things taken into consideration when the MVP is discussed.
Bojangles
07-28-2009, 10:33 AM
back about 6 or 7 years ago dfworld.com now known as dfworld.info ran a df1 tourny and had a mvp and prizes for the tourny. they had a nice point system going their. they calculated every players stats from round 1 and the person with the most points won the mvp no matter how many rounds he/she played in. obviously the more rounds you play the better your chance is, but i remember 1 tourny where this player only got to the 2nd round and came runner up for mvp when the player who won it played all 5 rounds and the point spread was less than 10. francis had a good system going for his tournys.
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