8 vs 8

[ShowMan.-II-.]

I was under the impression you could field 8 players no matter what. Now it is 6? If a squad has 8 players they are able to play 8 reguardless is that correct? 6 vs 6 isnt a war, it's a tea party. Also, you bigger squads if you guys wanna go 10 vs 10 12vs 12 whatever, it's all good.

[Ninjaman]

Like it says - minimum number is 6 v 6. If one team can only field 6 then the other team must balance out to play 6 v 6. If teams have more than the minimum bring them along and balance out on the night. Matches must start balanced.

We'd rather see squads playing with 6 or 7 than not signing up because they can't find 8. Lets get DFX 2 off the ground first before we worry about 6 / 7 / 8 players in a scrim.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

6 vs 6 is pitiful. You already allowed multiple teams to join and play now, is 8 vs 8 asking too much? 6 vs 6 isn't a match, it's a shootout against a few individuals. Terrible rule.

[Milenko]

Need smaller maps if you are going to do 6 vs 6....

[BOC]

should be 8v8...teams should be able to decide before the match between themselves for smaller numbers..

if a team cant field 8 ,the team with 8 should still be able to field the full squad..

whats stopping teams only fielding their best quality 6 players as a strategy move

If the concern is that some teams are to small they should really form alliances with other squads to field a team for the duration of the tourney

[Ricosy]

*DEA also would like to have the size set on 8v8.

We know it might be hard and actually more logical to have it on 6v6, but still I want us to try on 8v8 with all the teams who can.

[Fiend.-II-.]

if we cant do 8vs8 then dfl and ls should split into 2 teams since they have plenty to do 6v6 this was listed as a squad challenge and since its hosted by orb and nova we figured we would be facing novaworld squads ....not made up tourney squads.... 6v6 on those maps will be very boring and its not even really worth a team like us to take part in because we play for fun.... having a roster our size seems to be a fault ....i keep hearing make the game grow but how will it grow when we have to tell 8-10 ppl no you cant play cause its 6v6? i understand 8v8 might be harder to field but once again i use dfl and ls for example they have 2 teams of 8 on their roster so if they can do it why not others?

[Xplode]

This 6 vs 6 rule is a major concern folks.
Many of us feel that many allocations have already been made to allow the smaller squads to play.

6 vs 6 is a slap in the face to squads that have worked hard to field a roster and support this game.

Milenko has pulled his squad, how many more may leave?

I will get to the real point however....

I for 1 was weary of this tournament because I felt the administrators would lean in favor of a few of these smaller squads which I will not name, this latest rule is yet another thing that supports this suspicion, many in II feel the same.

Do we have an unbiased tourney here or not? if we do then you must be very very careful that your descisions reflect that or you will breed contention.

Why havent there been any votes on any of these descions????

You ripped out kutu in favor of the map from hell rain of fire wtf?

YOU MUST HAVE VOTES ON THIS KIND OF THING.

THank you

*edit - I had no idea Fiend was posting so please dont think that II is ganging up on anyone, we all have our own opinions and niether of us are speaking for the whole squad

[Ricosy]

Sorry but no matter how much I would want 8v8, stepping out of a tournament cuz of this reason is just weak. That's my opinion. You can also just rotate...

Nor has there been done anything for 'small squads' as far as I know. I feel people here are crying over nothing. Give this tournament a chance ffs and don't kill it before it started. You're throwing away your own fun imo.

[Fiend.-II-.]

yes true true xplode when i use dfl and ls as an example its not to start shit with them its only because we dont have another situation like theirs to use as an example.

[Fiend.-II-.]

not really ricosy.... we have a large roster and the women like it lol but seriously we have to many players to constantly rotate ppl in and out and we feel like our team deserves a chance to compete that means everyone on our roster that wants to take part. this tourney will not keep us from playing matches with other teams we plan on playing as many as we can get outside of this tourney......the tourney had a little more meaning to us when we thought it was a nova world squad tourney but since then for us it has slowly gone down hill.....not to say we dont want to take part in it....but every time we get something established it changes.... from everything from the map rotation, to how teams sign up, to 6v6 it just keeps closing doors to things we personally enjoy.

[The Ripper*DEA]

not really ricosy.... we have a large roster and the women like it lol but seriously we have to many players to constantly rotate ppl in and out and we feel like our team deserves a chance to compete that means everyone on our roster that wants to take part. this tourney will not keep us from playing matches with other teams we plan on playing as many as we can get outside of this tourney......the tourney had a little more meaning to us when we thought it was a nova world squad tourney but since then for us it has slowly gone down hill.....not to say we dont want to take part in it....but every time we get something established it changes.... from everything from the map rotation, to how teams sign up, to 6v6 it just keeps closing doors to things we personally enjoy.

I know, this has nothing to do with this thread now, but Fiend could you add me in MSN: alexbest@freenet.de or in Xfire: ripper123478568 please

Or just give me your MSN or xfire addy m8. Like to talk with about some things.

[Fiend.-II-.]

sorry bro i dont use either anymore you can pm me on nova or at www.instantimpact.org or if you dont mind waiting around i'll go download xfire ?

[Ricosy]

not really ricosy.... we have a large roster and the women like it lol but seriously we have to many players to constantly rotate ppl in and out and we feel like our team deserves a chance to compete that means everyone on our roster that wants to take part. this tourney will not keep us from playing matches with other teams we plan on playing as many as we can get outside of this tourney......the tourney had a little more meaning to us when we thought it was a nova world squad tourney but since then for us it has slowly gone down hill.....not to say we dont want to take part in it....but every time we get something established it changes.... from everything from the map rotation, to how teams sign up, to 6v6 it just keeps closing doors to things we personally enjoy.

I know but it's simply no reason to leave. Really it isn't.

[talent]

if we cant do 8vs8 then dfl and ls should split into 2 teams since they have plenty to do 6v6 this was listed as a squad challenge and since its hosted by orb and nova we figured we would be facing novaworld squads ....not made up tourney squads.... 6v6 on those maps will be very boring and its not even really worth a team like us to take part in because we play for fun.... having a roster our size seems to be a fault ....i keep hearing make the game grow but how will it grow when we have to tell 8-10 ppl no you cant play cause its 6v6? i understand 8v8 might be harder to field but once again i use dfl and ls for example they have 2 teams of 8 on their roster so if they can do it why not others?

We only truly have 10 dedicated guys! Same 8-10 guys on every night. We dont have what our roster looks like. Most of those guys wont see a map of playing time let alone be able to play. But they are part of our team and they wanted to join. So you will not be seeing us split into two teams. I do agree this should be 8v8 never played a nova game that was less then that!

[The Ripper*DEA]

We only truly have 10 dedicated guys! Same 8-10 guys on every night. We dont have what our roster looks like. Most of those guys wont see a map of playing time let alone be able to play. But they are part of our team and they wanted to join. So you will not be seeing us split into two teams. I do agree this should be 8v8 never played a nova game that was less then that!

wtf? I played so many matches since years and it was just normal to play
6vs6+. In which leagues and tournaments you played in the Delta Force series, dont want to know that. Okay maybe if the game is new, you can start with 8vs8, but lets do it 6vs6+ for teams, which haven't much players. This isn't Battlefield here, this is Delta Force. And the tournamentmaps aren't big. This is gonna be a fucking joke here?!
Just sad to see, that there is a forumthread about a topic like that here :d

Admins set up the rules and we will play the matches like you want. It's just the best for this whiners ;)

[Ninjaman]

Its up to individual teams or squads how they manage their players, but with my teams I have always worked on the assumption that if a player signs up for a match and turns up - he plays. He may not play all of the maps in the match, but everyone gets a game.

If you have 8 players and the opposition have 6, or you have 10 and the oppostion have 8, just rotate your players during the match, have 2 swap out and 2 swap in during the map load - there is a 2 minute gap between maps and it is allowed in the rules.

As I said before, we would rather have 6 v 6 matches than not have teams play because they can not find 8 players on the night. There are still a lot of large squads who have very few members actually playing DFX 2. Part of the idea of this tournament is to encourage more players / squads to play DFX 2. If non-DFX 2 players see their squad-mates playing in a tournament and having fun, it might help get a few more people into the servers at other times.

[talent]

wtf? I played so many matches since years and it was just normal to play
6vs6+. In which leagues and tournaments you played in the Delta Force series, dont want to know that. Okay maybe if the game is new, you can start with 8vs8, but lets do it 6vs6+ for teams, which haven't much players. This isn't Battlefield here, this is Delta Force. And the tournamentmaps aren't big. This is gonna be a fucking joke here?!
Just sad to see, that there is a forumthread about a topic like that here :d

Admins set up the rules and we will play the matches like you want. It's just the best for this whiners ;)

Must be a euro thing. In the states its always been 8v8 since df2. ALWAYS! TWL Was 8v8, Nova games was 8v8. I looked at some screen shots I still have from back in the day every single one of them was 8v8.

[talent]

Its up to individual teams or squads how they manage their players, but with my teams I have always worked on the assumption that if a player signs up for a match and turns up - he plays. He may not play all of the maps in the match, but everyone gets a game.

If you have 8 players and the opposition have 6, or you have 10 and the oppostion have 8, just rotate your players during the match, have 2 swap out and 2 swap in during the map load - there is a 2 minute gap between maps and it is allowed in the rules.

As I said before, we would rather have 6 v 6 matches than not have teams play because they can not find 8 players on the night. There are still a lot of large squads who have very few members actually playing DFX 2. Part of the idea of this tournament is to encourage more players / squads to play DFX 2. If non-DFX 2 players see their squad-mates playing in a tournament and having fun, it might help get a few more people into the servers at other times.

Ninja! I obviously run a team different. I do not play by the rule if you show up you play. The Best players play bottom line. No one on our team ever has a issue with that. The player that fits the map and the style will be the one in the game. I and no one I have ever played ever plays by the show and play rule. I know I look at gaming different then you obviously, but if someone is trying to win this I doubt they follow that rule.

[fivewall]

Watch now when it comes to a TDM map teams will only have 6 guys and then we switch to TKOTH and oh what do you know, 2 more just came online. LOL. If it is 6v6 we are close to being able to do that without DFL as we have 7 ls on the roster. However that is cutting it too close, and with only 7 there is a very good chance of not getting the full 6 to show up. I have no idea where DFL stands, at this point is most likely to late to split up without people getting angry. Really though who wants to play 6v6 unless we have no other choice. I would rather play 8v8+ like we did in JO. We had a lot of JO matches up to 12v12 when both teams had enough online.

[fivewall]

I think a fair rule would be to have a minimum 8 players signed up at tourney start. If only 6 show up to the match, whatever, but every team should at least be making an effort to get 8, and lets face it without at least 2 subs the team will be showing up short at least once if not multiple times through out the course of the tourney. This isn't CEVO - the dedication just isn't there for a team to field 100% participation every single match.

[Toby]

Watch now when it comes to a TDM map teams will only have 6 guys and then we switch to TKOTH and oh what do you know, 2 more just came online. LOL. If it is 6v6 we are close to being able to do that without DFL as we have 7 ls on the roster. However that is cutting it too close, and with only 7 there is a very good chance of not getting the full 6 to show up. I have no idea where DFL stands, at this point is most likely to late to split up without people getting angry. Really though who wants to play 6v6 unless we have no other choice. I would rather play 8v8+ like we did in JO. We had a lot of JO matches up to 12v12 when both teams had enough online.

last night i was the only DFL guy on.. with the exception of AJ and Babyboy i am the only other player that plays for dfl.. the rest on the roster are just fodder that would like to play if they happen to be online.. and that is seldom.

so no we couldnt split and have two teams in my opinion.. but we should have minimum of 8v8 and play more if both squads agree.

[Cki]

For the sake of the tournament I say lets do 6v6 if we have to. Looking at the squad rosters this tournament would shrink down to a handful of teams if they have to have 8 people. That said, I agree that 6v6 will make those maps seem very big indeed...

[Toby]

6v6 will be a joke..
8v8 should be the minimum... if guys cant field 8 guys they need to merge so they can get enough to play...

It didnt take rocket science for DFL LS to figure that out..

I have a hunch that as this drags out more will drop no matter what..

I hope more squads join.. i hope more play.. but i also hope the tournament is not headed towards a rule fest...

Hey we got to play TDM and we got 4 great guns and 4 ok guns..
lets go into this 6v6 then drop two and have th min requirements for the match.. Uh oh its TKOTH,, hey look 4 more guys just logged in.. great lets play... Oooops TDM again.. 4 just lost connection to the server..

I know this is for the betterment of the game.. however its also big boy games.. no need to give it the Nova feelings and noob it down,,

It will suck for those squads that have more than 8 guys on the roster but less than enough to fill two 6v6 teams.. 8v8 with 10 on the roster two sit for a map each no big deal..

6v6 4 sit and most likely dont see any games or limited games to to rule fests.. and trust me it will happen.

Make the tournament 8v8 and if you have less than 8 sucks for you..

T

[Jason]

6v6 will be a joke..
8v8 should be the minimum... if guys cant field 8 guys they need to merge so they can get enough to play...

It didnt take rocket science for DFL LS to figure that out..

I have a hunch that as this drags out more will drop no matter what..

I hope more squads join.. i hope more play.. but i also hope the tournament is not headed towards a rule fest...

Hey we got to play TDM and we got 4 great guns and 4 ok guns..
lets go into this 6v6 then drop two and have th min requirements for the match.. Uh oh its TKOTH,, hey look 4 more guys just logged in.. great lets play... Oooops TDM again.. 4 just lost connection to the server..

I know this is for the betterment of the game.. however its also big boy games.. no need to give it the Nova feelings and noob it down,,

It will suck for those squads that have more than 8 guys on the roster but less than enough to fill two 6v6 teams.. 8v8 with 10 on the roster two sit for a map each no big deal..

6v6 4 sit and most likely dont see any games or limited games to to rule fests.. and trust me it will happen.

Make the tournament 8v8 and if you have less than 8 sucks for you..

T



yea just becuase you guys managed to do (im assuming a successful merge doenst mean other teams can. for example 2 teams only have 7 but these 7 will be at every game and are very dedicated. They dont have enough so have to merge with each other. All of a sudden you have 14 very dedicated players all wanting to play and whos going to pick who plays? each squad leader of each team is going to be bisaed towards their own teams. Or what if you guy by the best players play? so maybe 1 team is better than the other so 7 from 1 team play and 1 from the other..... im sure theyd love that lol. Cant split it 4 and 4 if you want to be competitive, gotta pick the best guys.

Another thing, merging more teams cuts the competition in half again, its already small enough as it is.

And if teams just happen to have 4 people log on all of a sudden thats just sad lol. very poor sportsmanship, esp over a game like this. Makes me wonder about some of the teams out there reading some of these threads.

[Ricosy]

I actually agree with Jason.

No offence, but I would rather play 6v6 so we have an active tournament, instead of 8v8 with barely any teams.

[Milenko]

I will play on someone's team if needed ;)

[Ricosy]

I will play on someone's team if needed ;)

why not soe?

[Toby]

I actually agree with Jason.

No offence, but I would rather play 6v6 so we have an active tournament, instead of 8v8 with barely any teams.


i think the majority of the teams that have signed up that are only showing 1.2.4, 5 guys on the roster will probably drop anyway. and for jason if you have 7 then go recruit one person to fill the spot..

what worries me is the teams trying to take advantage of the rules... most will not.. but some will for sure.. it happens every tournament.. if they can rule fuck you the will.. seen it in every single tournament or league match play i have played.. if its going to be 6v6 then its got to be mandatory you have 6 to play or forfeit.. 6v6 can show up and play 6v4 and its good to go for rules.. that would be great on TDM.. less targets to shoot at and you can have your best 4 in the game..

maybe i am wrong.. but teams that have been trying to get strats and player positions and duties for each map set for a 8v8 sure will be suprised when only 4 dudes show up and want to start the match from the other team..

T

[Jason]

i think youll find it is 6 min ;)

And using your arguement against you a little bit why not make these teams merge to form 6 man squads so again there will be more teams in the tourney.;)

We do not have 7 people dedicated i was just using that as an example :p In saying that we do not like to recruit people hastily and they normally go through a long trial so we get to know them etc. Even just getting a random i feel isnt good, what were to happen if they got caught doing somthing bad in the tourney? It would come back on our squad even though he was not actually a proper part of it. you know how nove forums are.


Problem with merging is do squads know other squads? my team is predominately a usa based team and we dont really know any other usa teams before this game that play it, dont really want to join up with some random team. You picked Ls because youve played with them etc and respect each other, we on the other hand dont know any usa teams competing so its alot harder. But we have merged anyway (with a euro team that we have played and very much respect in previous titles) as we wernt sure if we could even get 6 to play at once. Not sure how this will play out with time differences etc but we will have to wait and see. Just means all of our games will be euro time to accomadate for our buddies

[Toby]

Its all good whatever.. as long as its fun..

Lets see what happens and bitch when its done..

Sorry..

<--- glass half full type of guy

T

[ShowMan.-II-.]

Here is the evident. a 6 vs 6 tourney game can be taken over even by a single shooter. You get down to the final ticks and he gets off 3 good kills the match is over. It's not teamwork it's individual play. Sorry, we don't deal in individuality at Instant Impact. This is getting pretty aggravating, but I agree with talent, again! Squad tourneys have always been at LEAST 8 vs 8. If you can't field the 8 you can choose to go with 7 or 6 but the team who came prepared played their 8. And you guys talking about splitting your squad up and play as multiple teams???? Fellas, we're all about fun, but in a competitive tournament....we're in it to win it! You play your best 8 TDM'ers in the TDM map. You play your best TKOTH'ers in the TKOTH map and you play your best flagballers in the flagball map. As someone else said here, too many rules being changed on the fly here. This was started out as a squad tourney 8 vs 8. *II* Votes 8 vs 8. If 6 vs 6 is voted in, I'll meet with the fellas to see if we play or not. This may stomp on someones feelings and I'm sorry if it does but I'm gonna say it. If you can't field 8 players, you're not a squad. You're just a few fellas that like to play together.

[Jason]

Here is the evident. a 6 vs 6 tourney game can be taken over even by a single shooter. You get down to the final ticks and he gets off 3 good kills the match is over. It's not teamwork it's individual play. Sorry, we don't deal in individuality at Instant Impact. This is getting pretty aggravating, but I agree with talent, again! Squad tourneys have always been at LEAST 8 vs 8. If you can't field the 8 you can choose to go with 7 or 6 but the team who came prepared played their 8. And you guys talking about splitting your squad up and play as multiple teams???? Fellas, we're all about fun, but in a competitive tournament....we're in it to win it! You play your best 8 TDM'ers in the TDM map. You play your best TKOTH'ers in the TKOTH map and you play your best flagballers in the flagball map. As someone else said here, too many rules being changed on the fly here. This was started out as a squad tourney 8 vs 8. *II* Votes 8 vs 8. If 6 vs 6 is voted in, I'll meet with the fellas to see if we play or not. This may stomp on someones feelings and I'm sorry if it does but I'm gonna say it. If you can't field 8 players, you're not a squad. You're just a few fellas that like to play together.



lol so if he gets 3 kills why cant he get 4? :p. 6 vs 6 needs just as much teamwork as 8 vs 8.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

lol so if he gets 3 kills why cant he get 4? :p. 6 vs 6 needs just as much teamwork as 8 vs 8.



No offense, if you don't know the difference in a match between 6vs6 and 8vs8, it's obvious you have not matched alot.

[Toby]

I vote 8v8 as the minimum.. but who am I

T

[Milenko]

lets just have a 64 man server, DM. Bottom 4 or 6 drop off at the end with the lowest scores. Rotate through until one is left. Need 10 maps. Old school DF1 days...:D

[killer21]

lets just have a 64 man server, DM. Bottom 4 or 6 drop off at the end with the lowest scores. Rotate through until one is left. Need 10 maps. Old school DF1 days...:D
That could be something we do in the future.

[fivewall]

6v6 plays out fine - I don't see that as the issue. The issue is the teams who have 10+ who show up at match time and we have to pick half the team to ride the pine.

[Ninjaman]

From the rules:

Matches

3) All matches will be played as 6 v 6 +, each team must start with a minimum of six players. If both teams have more than 6 players ready to play, Team CO’s may agree on the numbers for each map. The match must start with balanced teams.


If you turn up with more players than the opposition, its up to you to manage your team players and decide who plays what map.

[The Ripper*DEA]

6vs6+ is cool :)

Btw. would be nice to see, if teams could complete their rosters :)

[Toby]

Nova post just said JA dropped out.. Good lord hate to see that.

T

[ShowMan.-II-.]

Look for another team shortly.

[pst]

6vs6+ is cool :)

Btw. would be nice to see, if teams could complete their rosters :)

Some member of us have problems finding the JOIN button (it's not on the place it should be...)

[Jason]

No offense, if you don't know the difference in a match between 6vs6 and 8vs8, it's obvious you have not matched alot.



No offense but you should really do some research into someone before you go making statements like that, you make yourself look quite stupid when you dont :). Have you matched alot outside of JO? ;). Heres an honest question... You say youve played since df1 yet your matches dont start til JO... What happened? Most df games die down to 6 vs 6 when the player base gets short, it happened in df1,df2,lw,bhd. If you dont think a 6 vs 6 requires just as much teamwork then....wow. How you gunna cover that extra ground? less comms etc should cover it nicely. :rolleyes:. I know the difference and from experience i know 6 vs 6 can be just as much fun as an 8 vs 8.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

Yea, we never played until JO. While you're doing your background checks, check back all the way to hundreds of squad matches in games like F-22 Raptor, F-16 MRF etc. Actually, I was probably gaming back when you were just a gleam in Daddy's eye. But that's another story. Read what I posted. I never said YOU wouldn't think 6 vs 6 was fun. I simply stated the obvious. That a SQUAD TOURNAMENT is just that. You use teamwork with a large group of players. Not the great shooting of a few. Didn't mean to strike a nerve, I guess your 6 man Nova squad is the bomb. Nice that the Admins of Orb are already calling folks stupid here at the forums. I like that. Shaping up to be quite a time.

[Jason]

Yea, we never played until JO. While you're doing your background checks, check back all the way to hundreds of squad matches in games like F-22 Raptor, F-16 MRF etc. Actually, I was probably gaming back when you were just a gleam in Daddy's eye. But that's another story. Read what I posted. I never said YOU wouldn't think 6 vs 6 was fun. I simply stated the obvious. That a SQUAD TOURNAMENT is just that. You use teamwork with a large group of players. Not the great shooting of a few. Didn't mean to strike a nerve, I guess your 6 man Nova squad is the bomb. Nice that the Admins of Orb are already calling folks stupid here at the forums. I like that. Shaping up to be quite a time.

I simply asked a question to which you stil havent replied........... oh well. I was expecting an answer more like we changed webhosts or somthing that is perfectly explainable but maybe youve mistaken the question for a dig at your squad? Anyway. Your mistaken if you think you struck a nerve or were hoping to, this is a computer game forum so i take everything that goes on here with a large grain of salt :). I never said my squad was "the bomb" there you go again with the assumptions tsk tsk :).

Where in nova does it say that a squad tournament MUST be 8 vs 8? Since cod and cs only do 5 vs 5 are they not squads?

Will you ever be happy? first you moan about squads joining together so they can compete, now your moaning about player numbers, whats next? The tourney hasnt even started, now is the time to fine tune things. Would you rather we wait until the finals and then spring things on you? You disagree with the player numbers rule, fine. You disagree with the joining of teams rule, again fine. Posting over and over isnt going to change it. People have put alot of hard work into trying to get this thing going and all ive seen from you is whinging. you dont like it why dont you go start up a tourney and let everyone criticize every little thing you do. People wonder why there arent many tournies that happen in these games, who in their right mind would want to run one when you have to put up with this crap.

This is a new game so new things can and should be tried. If they dont work out fine, things can go back to completely standard in the next tourny. You of all people should know this, JO bumped match numbers up from 8 to what 12? thats a much bigger change then 8 to 6. Please just try go along with it instead of critisize every option taken. Ive heard you have a good team so I dont see the problem in adapting. I also see another thread where fiend was asking if your team could enter more than 1 team for this thing, the answer is yes, perhaps look into doing that if you owrried about people not getting playing time?

[Jason]

Nova post just said JA dropped out.. Good lord hate to see that.

T

thats a shame :( didnt think theyd have enough players, looks like i might have been right

[Ricosy]

thats a shame :( didnt think theyd have enough players, looks like i might have been right

They wouldnt have had enough anyway so it's not a shame really.

@ Poostman, we've had the issue with Miracle not seeing the join thing, contact Phaethon about it.

[Ninjaman]

I don't recall any ORB Admins calling people "stupid".

The tournament rules are there for all to see and read before they decide if they wish to participate.

The rules lay out how this tournament will be played. The rules or setup arrangements of previous tournaments that anyone may have played in before have no bearing on how we wish this tournament to run.

Tournament participlants do not get to "vote" on any of the rules.

I think we've seen enough "debate" on this topic.

[killer21]

Please refrain from insulting each other. No one called anyone stupid or anything like that. A healthy debate about the number of players allowed in the tourney is encouraged. However, this has gotten out of hand. The rules have been posted and will not change. If you have an issue with the rules, please PM me and I will reply to it with a reason why the rules are what they are. Thank you.