Tournament Final Maps and Rotation

[Phaethon]

The final maps are up on Chicago and London services. We are repacking the PFF and will upload to all your servers between today and tommorrow end of day.

Official Rotation - Round 1 -Best of 5 maps win

Rain of Fire TDM A/B
Blizzard FlagBall A/B
Steel Wheels TKOTH A

Round 2 -Best of 5 maps win

Steel Wheels Flagball A/B
Rain of Fire Tkoth A/B
Blizzard TDM A

Round 3 thru Semi Finals & 3rd / 4th place match -Best of 5 maps win

Blizzard TKOTH A/B
Rain of Fire Flagball A/B
SteelWheels TDM

FINAL MATCH - Best of 7 map sides

Rain of Fire Flag Ball A/B
Steel Wheels TKOTH A/B
Blizzard TKOTH A/B
Rain of Fire TDM A

[ShowMan.-II-.]

WOW! We got some serious practice to do. Load'em on the Team server quick as ya can Phae and thanks!

[Phaethon]

I told you guys it would be different :)

[Milenko]

thanks phae

[Ricosy]

Nice set up!

[killer21]

Have fun guys. Good luck.

[Ricosy]

Phae, when will we get these maps (FB, TD, TK versions of all 3) on our servers? I still can't find them. I really would love to have them so we can use them in a match tonight.

Cheers,

[Phaethon]

Just hit the general update button ... so should be done in about hour to be safe

[Toby]

Pha,
Confirm after our conversation last night, that all the bad maps have been removed and nothing but the new good ones are on our server now?

Thanks bro.

T

[Xplode]

good maps? lol dont tease me

[Ricosy]

Just hit the general update button ... so should be done in about hour to be safe

I've no idea what you mean? :confused:

[Phaethon]

Pha,
Confirm after our conversation last night, that all the bad maps have been removed and nothing but the new good ones are on our server now?

Thanks bro.

T

I am on the studio lot right now but will check in a few hours when i get home

[TL-sts-]

Seriously who picked these maps ?
Its just city and building maps, was it the admins at ORB picking them ?

I start to wonder if the guys picking these maps actually played any of the old Delta Force series, there are no damn buildings in them. Can you actually see yourself playing 6vs6 on these maps at all ? This is just stupid.

If these maps where picked by any of the admin at orb, they should not be allowed to participate in the tourney, cause of personal gain of picking the maps themself. This is just normal in any situation or sports.

You should have made all the teams participationg in the tourney pick the maps and you would clearly see that these are surly not the maps been picked.

This is so wrong and it makes me so :( that you even do this. I have checked the age of the CTD guys in charge of NW, your 18-19 years and you clearly didnt play the Delta Force series at the earlie stage. This is what we want. We want the TKOTH timer to reset when the zone it cleared, we want big flanking maps, not COD maps and fucking crappy buildings to hide in and for crying out loud....is there also gonna be a timedelay to spawn also ? 10 sec ? ffs cant we just have it that we just sit the hole map when dying instead so we can all feel the COD feeling. Seriously 10sec delay is worse.

I need to vent of cause this is so clueless of the guys running this or NW or whoever pulling the strings. Get a grip cause your so going to loose when COD6 comes.

[Toby]

TL,
The maps have been up and they went through a multitude of changes.. And they are set, You guys have been signed up with 3 players on your roster since day one of the tournament.. Not a single word was spoken until yesterday.. Not saying you dont have a point.. However its way to late in the game to bitch now.. Maybe if your squad was active like YWK II DEA DFL/LS from the begining you would have made a differance.

Not bitchen just making a point

[Ninjaman]

Seriously who picked these maps ?
Its just city and building maps, was it the admins at ORB picking them ?

I start to wonder if the guys picking these maps actually played any of the old Delta Force series, there are no damn buildings in them. Can you actually see yourself playing 6vs6 on these maps at all ? This is just stupid.

If these maps where picked by any of the admin at orb, they should not be allowed to participate in the tourney, cause of personal gain of picking the maps themself. This is just normal in any situation or sports.

You should have made all the teams participationg in the tourney pick the maps and you would clearly see that these are surly not the maps been picked.

This is so wrong and it makes me so :( that you even do this. I have checked the age of the CTD guys in charge of NW, your 18-19 years and you clearly didnt play the Delta Force series at the earlie stage. This is what we want. We want the TKOTH timer to reset when the zone it cleared, we want big flanking maps, not COD maps and fucking crappy buildings to hide in and for crying out loud....is there also gonna be a timedelay to spawn also ? 10 sec ? ffs cant we just have it that we just sit the hole map when dying instead so we can all feel the COD feeling. Seriously 10sec delay is worse.

I need to vent of cause this is so clueless of the guys running this or NW or whoever pulling the strings. Get a grip cause your so going to loose when COD6 comes.

FYI - I'm well past 18, I've played Delta Force games since DF1 and had no part in picking the maps.

This is how this tournament works.

What YOU want has no bearing at all on how the tournament run.

Read the rules.

If you want to step on up after reading them - thats fine.

If you don't think you or your squad can manage to play by these rules then the choice is simple - don't play.

Simple.

Feel free to leave any time.

[killer21]

Seriously who picked these maps ?
Its just city and building maps, was it the admins at ORB picking them ?

I start to wonder if the guys picking these maps actually played any of the old Delta Force series, there are no damn buildings in them. Can you actually see yourself playing 6vs6 on these maps at all ? This is just stupid.

If these maps where picked by any of the admin at orb, they should not be allowed to participate in the tourney, cause of personal gain of picking the maps themself. This is just normal in any situation or sports.

You should have made all the teams participationg in the tourney pick the maps and you would clearly see that these are surly not the maps been picked.

This is so wrong and it makes me so :( that you even do this. I have checked the age of the CTD guys in charge of NW, your 18-19 years and you clearly didnt play the Delta Force series at the earlie stage. This is what we want. We want the TKOTH timer to reset when the zone it cleared, we want big flanking maps, not COD maps and fucking crappy buildings to hide in and for crying out loud....is there also gonna be a timedelay to spawn also ? 10 sec ? ffs cant we just have it that we just sit the hole map when dying instead so we can all feel the COD feeling. Seriously 10sec delay is worse.

I need to vent of cause this is so clueless of the guys running this or NW or whoever pulling the strings. Get a grip cause your so going to loose when COD6 comes.
Ok. This made me lol....hard.

1. CTD has nothing to do with this or any other tournaments. We just have a couple of members who happen to be apart of all of this.

2. I am 31 and have played since DF2. Not that any of that matters.

3. If you do not agree with the rules/maps whatever, you are not obligated to play in the tournament. The rules have been put into place and will not be changed.

4. Assuming that the people here are 18-19 simply because no one completely agrees with you is actually quite childish and immature. There are reasons the maps that are in the tournament were chosen.

5. Everyone here is volunteering their time to help out. People really need to understand that we are not getting paid for this. We volunteer because we love gaming and are very interested in how things are going. Phaethon has put a lot of effort into this and I think people really need to calm down and thank Phae for even putting up his own money to do this.

[TL-sts-]

I havent been playing any of the tournament maps since today.

When I talk about age I clearly say the CTD guys in charge if NW, ninjaman I know your a old man, your not CTD and your not in charge of NW, but thanks for pointing out your over 18 and played the game for a while. But I dont care about you!

I am not assuming anyone here is 18-19 cause of how they picked the maps. I am looking at the NW profile of certain players commeting that they havent played the earlier DF games. I am not commeting their skill of matureness or whatever you get out of the line I whrote. And I am not talking about you or ninjaman and I clearly say the guys that run NW. You two are one normal and one old man helping this site and this site does not have anything to do with NW.

If you want to step on up after reading them - thats fine.

This is just what I did, so get down from your old horse. I am venting what I feel of the maps, that I just played today. If you guys played them 100 of houres before, sure cool. But I havent.

Toby your point is wrong, we are more active then any other Euro team.
But feel free to guess.

I am not saying CTD have anything to do with it, I just know that one man phaeton is from CTD. And I dont know how to whrite his name so he goes under the name CTD men.


So stop go into that defensive mode and read what I whrite.

Age has nothing to do about inmatureness and childish.

I am wondering how the maps got picked or by who if so, but I didnt get an answer.

[TL-sts-]

Ninjaman go learn something from killer21.

When someone is joining a league you are responsible for, you just dont go "we dont fucking care, just leave".

Do you want teams to play here or not ?

Ok some teams whine more then others, but you dont tell them to fuck off just cause they dont agree with you. You tell them ok your not happy with the rules, but we cant change them now. Their all set! We hope that you will stay anyway.

Grow up you grumpy man and stop beeing so damn negative as a person. You are a hell lot older then most of us, so be a example on how to react then in a situation as this.

[talent]

I havent been playing any of the tournament maps since today.

When I talk about age I clearly say the CTD guys in charge if NW, ninjaman I know your a old man, your not CTD and your not in charge of NW, but thanks for pointing out your over 18 and played the game for a while. But I dont care about you!

I am not assuming anyone here is 18-19 cause of how they picked the maps. I am looking at the NW profile of certain players commeting that they havent played the earlier DF games. I am not commeting their skill of matureness or whatever you get out of the line I whrote. And I am not talking about you or ninjaman and I clearly say the guys that run NW. You two are one normal and one old man helping this site and this site does not have anything to do with NW.

If you want to step on up after reading them - thats fine.

This is just what I did, so get down from your old horse. I am venting what I feel of the maps, that I just played today. If you guys played them 100 of houres before, sure cool. But I havent.

Toby your point is wrong, we are more active then any other Euro team.
But feel free to guess.

I am not saying CTD have anything to do with it, I just know that one man phaeton is from CTD. And I dont know how to whrite his name so he goes under the name CTD men.


So stop go into that defensive mode and read what I whrite.

Age has nothing to do about inmatureness and childish.

I am wondering how the maps got picked or by who if so, but I didnt get an answer.


I have had the "CTD MAN" on my MSN for the last 5 years, I am sure I didnt put him on my MSN when he was 13. If his profile says that its wrong. He is much older then that. I dont like the maps either, I doubt many of us do. I do think though they worked hard to get the maps as balanced as posible and we thank them for that. We are just accepting and playing.

Admins: We know you put in "free" time, but throwing around "If you dont like it get out" is most likely the approach you should not use. Not like there is 80 squads knocking on the door trying to get in. I might of said.

TL, I understand how you feel, people have came to us with the same concerns, right now its to late we had to move on something, we listened to many people and tried to balance these maps as best we could. If we do this tournament again maybe we can look into having a voting system on the maps after we try them out for a few days. Thanks for your advice. STS is such a good team I am glad your part of this tournament. :)

Just my 2 cents.

[TL-sts-]

Well I am very sure he was 18-19 when I looked on his NW profile and was like damn lucky he is working in NW at that age making DF. That was my reaction when I looked at him a long time ago. Today it was he has no experience from the older DF games that came to mind, as I said no anything about inmatureness or childish.

I didnt make this post cause I know all would agree with me, I just had to get this out. Get feedback, good or negative.

But its all good now. We aint going anywhere, I need a new 3d card :)

But you ninjaman, get a course in anger-managment:rolleyes:

[killer21]

Well I am very sure he was 18-19 when I looked on his NW profile and was like damn lucky he is working in NW at that age making DF. That was my reaction when I looked at him a long time ago. Today it was he has no experience from the older DF games that came to mind, as I said no anything about inmatureness or childish.

I didnt make this post cause I know all would agree with me, I just had to get this out. Get feedback, good or negative.

But its all good now. We aint going anywhere, I need a new 3d card :)

But you ninjaman, get a course in anger-managment:rolleyes:

If you're talking about Phae, he is not 18-19 years old. Much older and wiser than that.

[TL-sts-]

Well between me and him he goes as CTD men:rolleyes:

Well I dont think we get so smarter with age, we had one example here that have maany years of practice.

So he might be older ;)

But this is all sorted now, I got my beef out and I am ready to rumble now.

[pst]

But still the maps are kinda bad, no real DF maps... :( and the respawn time of 5 seconds just ruins the gameplay but you'll learn :D

[Toby]

Toby your point is wrong, we are more active then any other Euro team.
But feel free to guess.


I was refering to this particular site that has been taking care of problems with the map and rules for weeks now.. you guys have only had 3 signed up and zero posts till yesterday.

I understand and have seen you guys from day one in NL an DFX2 not questioning your Euro elite status.. just your status here on ORB.
Sorry for any communications misunderstandings
T

[pst]

Ok all give kisses and say you love cats! :D

[emerson]

Not that any of this is my business but the profiles on NW do not seem to update automatically. When I reregistered on their new site recently after taking a few years off it still had the age when I started playing.

So I would say that if you saw 18 or 19 it was probably the age when he started palying these games. I have no idea really though, just speculating.;)

[Tainted]

18 years of age is actually the default age your profile is set to when you register your account on NW2. If you have not updated the information manually, it will most likely not have the correct information within the profile.

As for not showing the profiles of DF1/DF2. NW2 does not show these on your stats. Have you seen your DF1/DF2 stats or account page on your profile?

As for the maps, the maps where listed for quite some time and people were asked to give their thoughts on them when they were put into rotation. The problems with the maps should have been highlighted then, its a little too late now to go change the whole rotation just because you and a few other are not happy with them.

Instead of chastising, patronising and pigeon-holing the people who are trying to keep everyone happy by putting on something FOR THE COMMUNITY, perhaps you could use your energy into contributing something to the tournament instead of running it into the ground simply because it is not to your liking.

Keep in mind we want everyone who plays in this tournament to enjoy it. Trying to make sure that every single person is happy is nigh on impossible. We cannot please everyone, we can only try our best.

Assuming were on the same wavelength, everyone in this thread wants to have the best tournament possible. In order for this to happen we need positive contributions from the people involved. Constantly niggling at things that have been put in place to try to be as fair as possible is not positive. No-one wants to censor the bad things that are being said in these forums but condescending to people who are giving hours of free time to help make this tournament possible is not positive and will not do anything to contribute to making this tournament as good as it can possibly be.

We are a small community now, perhaps we could try to sustain a level of respect that each of us would expect to recieve so we can make this work?

Im sure thats not too much to ask now, is it?

[Syris]

I cannot stop laughing at the Phae is 18-19 years old post.....LOL:D

Good post Tainted

[Phaethon]

First of all i would to thank you for 18-19 year old comment.( GOD I WISH I WAS ) I would be back in my first year at UCLA and hitting the frat parties and spending Saturday nights hanging out at the beach drinking Coronas with my surfing bros. But alas those days are gone ....

While still the surfer but lot older. So as to expand on your comment let me give a bio.

Born - Argentina 1965
Moved to US - 1972
Graduated Santa Monica HS 1983
Graduated UCLA 1988
Masters Degree in Chemistry
Bachelors Degree in Engineering

12 Years in the Aerospace Chemical Development
9 Years currently in the Movie Industry

Married now for 15 years
Current place of residence South Redondo Beach, CA
Been playing Nova since DF2

Hope that answers you question :)

[Ninjaman]

Born - Argentina 1965
Moved to US - 1972
Graduated Santa Monica HS 1983
Graduated UCLA 1988
Masters Degree in Chemistry
Bachelors Degree in Engineering

12 Years in the Aerospace Chemical Development
9 Years currently in the Movie Industry

Married now for 15 years
Current place of residence South Redondo Beach, CA
Been playing Nova since DF2

Hope that answers you question :)



Do you like Pina Colada ?

;)

[ShowMan.-II-.]

and gettin caught in the rain?

[Ninjaman]

Bet hes not into yoga........ :(

[sethja]

Too long to read, try patience.

Unfortunately the *STS* players are correct, the maps are quite horrible, both the tournament maps and the nova stat maps. They are all unbalanced with one side clearly having a superior position, For the Orb maps, Blue is at a disadvantage on Steel Wheels, Red is at a disadvantage on Blizzard or whatever the snow map is called, the Fire Rain or whatever the hell it is called looks like a 2 year old making Land Warrior custom maps came up with it, it is no better than that Kate Market one. For the former two maps, the simple problem is one side has a hill to protect their spawn and provides the ability to immediately pick off the opposing team. Puting a bunch of buildings in random locations does not even out this fiasco whatsoever, it just creates a mess that appeals to players with limited ability. PSPs only exaccerbate the situation further, which is unfortunate and the spawn timers make it worse, because once a team is pushed back they cannot respawn in time before they are spawn raped to hell and any talented team will take full advantage and come out on top. If PSPs are to be included the spawn timer should be reduced to 3seconds, so anyone taking a psp is not overwhelmed when they attempt to take a PSP, or a player has a chance to get into a proper location before someone who died spawns again.

The buildings are what make these maps horrendous, this is not BHD and the gameplay which is extremely slow is not suited for any style of maps containing up close combat. This is especially true with how glitchy the buildings are, christ you can be on the fourth floor and warp to the bottom in an instant and vice versa, or just get stuck on one. As TL said this is not Call of Duty and I am sure most are currently waiting for Modern Warfare 2, this game should not attempt to take on those games as it does not measure up by any means. What Delta Force has always been about is individuals engaging one another on open terrain at vast distances, difficult for some of course, but just because so many people cannot do it doesent mean they should be catored to. Its called the tyranny of the majority, most of the people advocated for these up close building maps and even worse vehicles will quit the game and move on once the next new thing is out. Unfortunately for the players who really enjoy the style of DF their game has been destroyed and for what reason and the fans like myself, of 10 years + now are left bashing Nova because they have nothing else to vent their frustration on.

Although it is claimed to be too late seemingly that no one has complained until now, I believe people have been complaining since day one. Buildings are foolish and never were in any previous DF game. Further I would mention that most teams took their time registering on the site, because maybe they had hope somewhere that people would come to their senses and eliminate these maps and introduce more balanced and terrain orientated maps, but that I guess is too much to hope for.

As a suggestion the DF1 maps are available and with the success of that game there is no reason to deny that they would be a 110% improvement over what is being used now. Now this is not to say the terrains current being used are bad, they are not. The spawn positions need to be changed so they are balanced, the buildings eliminated as well as the PSPs and they would be fine, terrain is terrain. This game has a hell of a lot of potential if it is used properly that can emulate the success of DF1, DF2 and LW, TFD failed although not like this game, due to what reason? Horrible maps, anyone who played it can attest to that.

Before you feel like I am outright attacking anyone, I understand people are working hard to put a tournament together and that is excellent, as the game has so little support as it is. However, it has been done a little half assed and I think the organizers would do well to suck up their pride and accept the constructive criticism from those who have competed especially at the top tier levels of this series for many years. Simply stating "if you dont like it then quit," is plain stupid, because unfortunately they will then what, next we have a tournament with more buildings, cool Call of Duty wins, then what vehicles? Pretty sure Battle Field series wins again. Remember what DF is all about people.

Some advice, it is never too late to change the maps It could be done in an afternoon without a hiccup. Its an acceptance, we were wrong, try it. Also www.dfworld.info, these folks have ran tournaments since 1998. They have experience with every little trick a team has done to bend the rules, they know how to organize they have simply done it. I am unsure if any of them would be willing to help, but seeking out experience is never a bad idea. The SS and *YWK* players have the DF1 maps, I would love to see DF2 and LW ported in the future as well.

Like I said I am trying to provide some positive criticism so that we who truly enjoy the game can do so for a longer period instead of praying for the next Call of Duty to game to save us from our misery. I remember when LW had 32 pages of servers and they were loaded with players in almost every server. 75players online, obviously something isint right here.

For anyone who feels the need to attack me, age, intelligence, what have you, go right ahead you probably will fit right in with the folks on Fox News. I have played DF since 1998, every game except for the trash that came out after BHD. I have played, CS, Battlefield, Call of Duty, Fear, Crossfire any style there is. I am 23, so I have grown up on the game. I am finishing my second degree and to call me stupid, well then you have the mind of a child.

If we cannot fix things for this tournament than hopefully for the next one. But if I remember correctly Modern Warfare is set to be released around November, that is not long off as the average tournament even excluding the possibility of delays and controversy will take over a month. That doesent leave a lot of time to entice people to remain playing. Remember constructive advice, take it how you wish.

[Ricosy]

Just play the fucking maps... everyone plays them... and there's a red and blue side... so the advantage/disadvantage whining is just useless as always.

And sure there is close combat in this game lol, slow movement doesn't mean there isn't any close combat.

The maps are just fine, the problem with these maps is that the TKOTH thing in DFX2 with the timer not going to 0 at once is not that nice for 'detailed' maps. When you loose the zone the chances are high you can easily return and have the zone still.

[TL-sts-]

I agree with seth!

And Ricosy maybe you think the maps are fine but some dont.
And he is not whining, this is a very well whritten constructive advice and critic. Nothing wrong here, this is just very well whritten by a man that has english as his main language and like to whrite 5 page essays :D

[Ricosy]

I agree with seth!

And Ricosy maybe you think the maps are fine but some dont.
And he is not whining, this is a very well whritten constructive advice and critic. Nothing wrong here, this is just very well whritten by a man that has english as his main language and like to whrite 5 page essays :D

I never said it's whining, and I appreciate his input... Don't get where you got those assumptions from :/

I think Steel Wheels for example is just fine, problem is we need more matchstyle maps in this game. And just wishing for DF1 maps or whatsoever is fine, but I don't see it happen. Especially not if you see how Novalogic took it all wrong and made horrible maps in the Spec Ops servers.

Anyway but honestly... what is wrong with Steel Wheels :/ I really think that map is good for matches lol. We played it some times now and it is really good. The details are not a problem at all.

Have you played on it in a match? Because we really had no problem with the details. Same goes for Rain of Fire, it's all just getting used too and adapt.

I find it hillarious that some people here can't stand a few buildings and details lol.. and actually dare to compare it to COD, that's just fail (the comparison).

Try it... if you could.

[TL-sts-]

so the advantage/disadvantage whining is just useless as always..

The maps in spec ops are the best map I think, but you think their horrible. There you see, some cant stand buidlings, but like them alot. All ahve different ides of what they like!

I think steel wheels is horrible indeed everything is based inside trucks, trains and rails. What he he talking about is the essence of what the Delta Force games started with, if you started playing the game in DF:BHD there where no houses or trains in the game. Many favour this in the Delta Force series and want it too keep doing that. Instead of side tracking towards games that does have alot of buidlings like cod and veichles as in battlefield. We all know that it is not 100% like cod, but cod is very building based

Rain of fire is also very centered towards budilings, I like the map cause its nice and green :)

I think if u removed the houses all on those two maps you could have some really cool maps, long distance shooting flanking like hell, sneaky over the mountain.

Instead of proning at the backseat of the train waiting for someone.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

I believe what Ricosy is stating is, the tourney has STARTED. Bitching about the maps is fairly useless now. We've all been practicing them extensively, i'd say if you don't even know the names of them yet you probably haven't been working out on them. Those maps are what we are dealt. If you think they suck, well, then they suck for both teams. I don't think ANY of the maps have enough clear cut one sided advantage to absolutely 100% keep the other side from winning the round. Maybe today should mark the deadine for trying to change things, I mean dude, we've started now, let's push on. Good luck to all of you and try to relax and have some fun!

[Ninjaman]

Ricosy - I don't have a problem with the post - just offering some explanation of the settings....... :)


The maps are just fine, the problem with these maps is that the TKOTH thing in DFX2 with the timer not going to 0 at once is not that nice for 'detailed' maps. When you loose the zone the chances are high you can easily return and have the zone still.

Thats the reason for the clock not resetting if your team is cleared - it rewards the teams for ongoing teamwork and holding the zone.

If the clock resets to zero after a team is cleared then the "worst case scenario" is the entire map is played as a TDM, with no need to enter the zone untill the final seconds of the map. Taken to the extreme, its "clear the zone once and win".

Resetting the clock means there is no reward for the team that fights to hold the zone for 9.30 mins and is then cleared if the clock resets. Leaving time on the clock acts an incentive for the team to try to retake the zone, and also to push the other team out, and keep them out, which to me is the real point of TKOTH.

DFX TKOTH was set up this way (I think DF1 was too?) and it makes for a very intense fight for the zone over the whole of the match. I've played in scrims where we converted a 7 minute clock against us into a 3 minute clock for us to win the map - now that was a real adrenalin rush of a match.

:)

[talent]

2 quick things!

The TKOTH timer the way it works. Is the right way. I agree with it.

I am not a big fan of the maps either although I do think its funny how people come in and say remove the buildings and the maps will be good so we can long range gun. This game isnt LW, TFD, DF2, those days are long gone in the gaming world. Those game were great but great of its "Time" How sad it is that hardly anyone plays DFX2 because the game just isnt that good, but a lot less people play those other ones. This is for a reason, those games in todays world are even worst then DFX2. I am glad I am not having a 800 meter pixel battle anymore.

[Ricosy]

I believe what Ricosy is stating is, the tourney has STARTED. Bitching about the maps is fairly useless now. We've all been practicing them extensively, i'd say if you don't even know the names of them yet you probably haven't been working out on them. Those maps are what we are dealt. If you think they suck, well, then they suck for both teams. I don't think ANY of the maps have enough clear cut one sided advantage to absolutely 100% keep the other side from winning the round. Maybe today should mark the deadine for trying to change things, I mean dude, we've started now, let's push on. Good luck to all of you and try to relax and have some fun!

I like you Snowy, at least you get the point.



I am not a big fan of the maps either although I do think its funny how people come in and say remove the buildings and the maps will be good so we can long range gun. This game isnt LW, TFD, DF2, those days are long gone in the gaming world. Those game were great but great of its "Time" How sad it is that hardly anyone plays DFX2 because the game just isnt that good, but a lot less people play those other ones. This is for a reason, those games in todays world are even worst then DFX2. I am glad I am not having a 800 meter pixel battle anymore.

And another guy I agree with. People just need to adapt. And really... when you've played a match in Steel Wheels then any decent person should find out that the details are not that much of a problem. It's really easy to call and to play decent tactics on that map. Actually out of all 3 maps Steel Wheels feels like 'home' to me. But I guess that's cuz I love desert maps.

And too big maps are just horrible for matches nowadays, those days are over indeed. That's why I keep pushing for BHD style maps like Desert Fox, that's the size of a map which is good and the balance is good as well. That are the maps that can attract people in these games. Not the Spec Ops server maps... not at all. I'm not alone when I say these maps are horrible.


@ Ninja, You got a point there about the clock, but still I prefer the other way. But it's okay of course, I'm not demanding that to be changed :P I just want this tourney to kick off.

[gi.armpit]

Good thing we're playing both sides of the map, so it's fair. If you think there aren't major imbalances, you need to either get a better perspective on the facts or put down the pipe. One side on steel wheels has ample cover from buildings & boxcars all the way to the zone. The other side has a dune in front of it's spawn with no protective buildings between the spawn area & the dune; and once past the dune, you are open from All sides to getting shot until you get to that 2-story garage. If you're playing against people who are really skilled, you will get your ass kicked on that side. Especially if it's tkoth & you have to do mad flanking to get anywhere, thus defeating the object of getting to the zone quickly & clearing it. Same with reign of fire, you have multiple storage containers & buildings in close proximity on one side & on the other, a few boxes to start out, along with the rampart to the building a good sprint away. Even what may seem inconsequntial makes a big difference when you're playing really skilled, well-coordinated players on teamspeak. That being said, we're playing both sides of any map, so it's all good. =)

[Ricosy]

That's why it's not unbalanced armpit... cuz we play both sides... and I think that has been the rule in matches for years already... I never play one side only lol... who ever was planning to do that... just lol.

Play a match on Steel Wheels and find out yourself... it's a decent match map.

I always thought it was more of a challenge and cool that there was a 'hard' and 'easy' side of a map, that actually made matches pretty interesting.

[The Ripper*DEA]

That's why it's not unbalanced armpit... cuz we play both sides... and I think that has been the rule in matches for years already... I never play one side only lol... who ever was planning to do that... just lol.

Play a match on Steel Wheels and find out yourself... it's a decent match map.

I always thought it was more of a challenge and cool that there was a 'hard' and 'easy' side of a map, that actually made matches pretty interesting.

They are americans, they always playing best of three or best of five in a 8vs8. And we are europeans, we always playing two maps with A+B side in a 6vs6+ :)

[sethja]

Obviously some of seriously failed to read the latter half of what I implied. No this game is not one of those older games, but it is made for long range and if the trash buildings (which again are full of glitches) are removed and the PSPs removed. As I said you want that kind of foolishness in the games they have little hope of having a following and most people will be gone with the release of Call of Duty. I can assure you we are simply using this game as a stop over until its release and we have no reason to continue playing if nothing is changed.

Having a hard side and an easy side, seriously? That is not the challenge, it is by organizing your team and having better tactics in conjunction with your talent and defeating your opponent, not winning the maps that are balanced in your favour. You DEA folks are obviously not the DEA from DF2 or LW to be implying such things. I logged on to LW and saw over 50 people playing, considering the game was released in November 2000 if I remember correctly, that is atrocious to see when the average I see playing this game is around 75-80 with half being kids concentrated in the dumbass vehicle server.

As an example of how the maps can be changed, Border Patrol in Spec Ops was trash with the PSPs and spawn points, the former was removed and the latter changed, now that is a balanced map without stupid buildings in it. It is long range and nobody is engaging pixels at 800m. I would use that map in comparison with in map from a previous game it is perfect.

Yes the tournament is started, but if we don't continue to advocate change then nothing will be done in the future and if you read fully what I had said, by the time the tournament is finished in September, there are only two months until Modern Warfare 2 and I guarentee half the players are gone then. I certainly will be one of them. The only way to compete with that game is to play to the strengths and uniqueness of Delta Force, which unfortunately is not being done and some of you definently have no intention of advocating. Your playing the wrong game and are destroying the one people want by implying these maps are good in any manner in their current state. I have old schoolers messaging me all the time asking me if they fixed the maps cause they have heard the horror stories, or played the Beta or tried the game on a friends account. These people are on the fence, the game is cheap if changes were made you would see participation increase.

TL, it is not wh, remove the h and both are spelled without. Write (present tense) and Written (past tense) Just trying to help you improve your English grammar a bit. :)

[Ricosy]

You DEA folks are obviously not the DEA from DF2 or LW to be implying such things.

Who cares what you think of us? *DEA didn't just play DF2, and not everything in DF games needs to be compared to one of the older games. Besides that our DFX2 map is basically a big part of our DFBHD line up. So it makes sense we like stuff that's more like DFBHD, however it has to be said; DFX2 is in no way BHD.

I read your post, I respect your opinion, you don't need to tell to everyone who doesn't agree with you that they 'are not old school', 'failed to read your post' and such.

In other words, stop acting so egocentric. You need to realise that I'm not happy with the maps as well and that I barely play public because of that and that I really don't like the game so far, though has potential. But a map like Steel Wheels, no offence but I still think it's not bad at all. You are honestly just comparing too much to DF1 et cetera.

And please, don't trash me because I have another opinion or that I like DFBHD more then DF2. (I've played both). I know what you want and what you like, and that's all fine, but that doesn't mean everyone wants that.

And I'm convinced that putting Border Patrol on as a map would be a fail. The map is just as less balanced as any other map in this game. I really can't believe you dare to say it's balanced.

Cheers,

PS: You say the game is made for long range, believe me I'm sure Novalogic doesn't share that view.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

"As soon as a game comes out, Nova will die" Gee,us fellas at *II* have been hearing that one for over 13 years now. Still here. :) I think the tourney maps are cool, let's rock'em!

[sethja]

No they don't share that view, that doesent mean we can't do something about it. Like I said the dogmatic view of playing this in its current state is what is a "fail." I compare to the older games, because that was what was a success in this series and people who play it play it for that reason. My point all along is if we play it in the manner that we are now then people are not going to play they are going to play games aka Call of Duty which is the preminent leader in quality within that style. Of course not everyone wants what I want, unfortunately what those people want are what is destroying what this game could be. What they want is something more like COD, what else could it be to continue advocating to any degree that having buildings is ok? The reason I made the comment about playing the older games is because what you have experience shapes your views, it is a simple sociological fact sir. By recognizing that this game cannot compete with its counterparts despite what the Novalogic staff may believe they are capable of and what some are trying to do here would be a valiant step, but that does not seem to be happening. Notice the trend, and yes I am referencing the old games once again, because again they shape your opinion. The players who played them despise what has been done, the players who came later may not actually like what is there now, but they want something else as well. That is because the game is hovering on the fence of being a CQB or a Long Range FPS. Simple fact, the CQB element is trash and cannot compare to the other games and the further it leads to that end of its development the faster the rate of its failure will be. They need to and we need to help it play to the strengths of the series and the market.

[Ricosy]

I don't agree with what you want, but I do agree with the fact that DFX2 in this state is fail. Because I do believe urban warfare and such, and hills as well can work in DF, cuz they did before.

And simply because it's my favorite map ever I'll keep comparing to it, Desert Fox aka Sidewinder in DFBHD is a map that would succeed in this game DFX2. It has hills and it's not that big and it's balanced well enough and it's superb for matches. In my opinion that map is the perfect example. While a map like Border Patrol in my opinion comes NOTHING but NOTHING close to that map. But that's just me.

But I don't think that maps like the SpecOps server maps would solve it. I don't see how it would.

[fivewall]

No they don't share that view, that doesent mean we can't do something about it. Like I said the dogmatic view of playing this in its current state is what is a "fail." I compare to the older games, because that was what was a success in this series and people who play it play it for that reason. My point all along is if we play it in the manner that we are now then people are not going to play they are going to play games aka Call of Duty which is the preminent leader in quality within that style. Of course not everyone wants what I want, unfortunately what those people want are what is destroying what this game could be. What they want is something more like COD, what else could it be to continue advocating to any degree that having buildings is ok? The reason I made the comment about playing the older games is because what you have experience shapes your views, it is a simple sociological fact sir. By recognizing that this game cannot compete with its counterparts despite what the Novalogic staff may believe they are capable of and what some are trying to do here would be a valiant step, but that does not seem to be happening. Notice the trend, and yes I am referencing the old games once again, because again they shape your opinion. The players who played them despise what has been done, the players who came later may not actually like what is there now, but they want something else as well. That is because the game is hovering on the fence of being a CQB or a Long Range FPS. Simple fact, the CQB element is trash and cannot compare to the other games and the further it leads to that end of its development the faster the rate of its failure will be. They need to and we need to help it play to the strengths of the series and the market.

Seth - I could go on ranting about this for pages but simply put - you are wrong. This game should have a mix of both long range and CQB like BHD had. BHD was Nova's best seller, not DF2, not LW, not TFD, not DF1.... BHD!! To this day there is still 500+ people playing BHD at any given time. This is more then every other nova game combined. The urban game with a lot of buildings and maps that had no walls (except rampage), so you could go out on hills and battle long range, and also come in close for CQB. This is the game that has the biggest following. COD does not offer long range endless maps like Nova does, no one is saying Nova should put wall's around the city's and keep everyone in a tight area COD style. What we are saying though is removing the CQB all together is FAIL! They need to keep the balance of the map sides and mix of both long range and close quarters that they did very well at with BHD.

The tourney maps did a very good job of providing us with a mix of both long range and CQB style fighting similar to BHD - this is how all DFX2 maps should be made. However they failed on providing an even balance for both sides - this is where they need to improve.

[sethja]

Laugh. Well I will enjoy what little is to be offered for four months. I am done with being pro-active, obviously not going to bother with critical thinking with sheep.

[Ricosy]

Laugh. Well I will enjoy what little is to be offered for four months. I am done with being pro-active, obviously not going to bother with critical thinking with sheep.

This just says enough about you really...

Fivewall has a point, and you just 'laugh'. Did we laugh at your mature formal story? No.

[The Ripper*DEA]

Laugh. Well I will enjoy what little is to be offered for four months. I am done with being pro-active, obviously not going to bother with critical thinking with sheep.

:rolleyes:

[ShowMan.-II-.]

Maybe it's just a ploy to poach your players. LOL!

[fivewall]

Laugh. Well I will enjoy what little is to be offered for four months. I am done with being pro-active, obviously not going to bother with critical thinking with sheep.

So you either agree with Seth or you are a sheep. :rolleyes:

[Jason]

So you either agree with Seth or you are a sheep. :rolleyes:

Dont agree with him either tho because then your following him making you a sheep. :rolleyes: Im disagreeing with all of you making me a goat. :D

[headshot]

Honestly tourneys used to run with 3 different gametypes, giving you a choice of what you wanted to play TDM, TKOTH, and CTF. It seems a bit silly to do the gameplay like this but I guess this is what we get.

[Cki]

Honestly tourneys used to run with 3 different gametypes, giving you a choice of what you wanted to play TDM, TKOTH, and CTF. It seems a bit silly to do the gameplay like this but I guess this is what we get.

Yea, only one tdm map in a best of 7 finals?? Shouldn't it have been a 2/2/3 type setup to make it a well rounded final for all game types. Minimizes the skill and effort it takes be good at tdm on the team level.

[The Ripper*DEA]

This tournament have five rounds but i just can see the maps for four rounds. So which maps we have to play in round 3 now?

[talent]

This tournament have five rounds but i just can see the maps for four rounds. So which maps we have to play in round 3 now?

Round 3 and 4 are the same maps.