Questions about the Novalogic Squad Challenge

[Ricosy]

Hello,

I have a few questions related to the upcoming tournament; Novalogic Squad Challenge.


How many maps will be included in the tournament? And which ones? For which gametypes? Can you name the names of the maps in a list please?

How does the tournament work, I take we start with a bracket and simply go down to the final, makes sense, but from what I've heard/read we'll have more gametypes involved. How will this work? Each round in the bracket a certain gametype + map? Or what? How does a match in a certain round look like? 4 rounds in 1 match? or more? or? Or 2 maps a round? Need more information concerning these issues please.

About the servers, there are EU squads and US based squads. Who decides where to play, on which server? It would be rather unfair if EU teams would have to play in Chicago or Los Angeles servers. Or are we going to play one side of the round on a US server and other side on a EU server? So it evens out? As in a home and away match.

One of my members, named Miracle*DEA, is unable to join our team, he does not see a Join Team button where it's supposed to be, nor a Leave Team button, just nothing.



These are my questions I have at this moment.

Cheers and thanks in advance,
Eric aka Ricosy*DEA

[Phaethon]

I have a few questions related to the upcoming tournament; Novalogic Squad Challenge.


How many maps will be included in the tournament? 3 Maps
And which ones? KUTU, Blizzard, Steel Wheels ( A and B sides )
For which gametypes? TDM and TKOTH
Can you name the names of the maps in a list please? Named above
How does the tournament work, I take we start with a bracket and simply go down to the final, makes sense, but from what I've heard/read we'll have more gametypes involved. How will this work? Each round in the bracket a certain gametype + map? Or what? How does a match in a certain round look like? 4 rounds in 1 match? or more? or? Or 2 maps a round? Need more information concerning these issues please.
Rounds will consist of Best of 5 Map sides played. (Each side of a map counts as a map side played)

Final Match will be Best of 7 Sides.

Rounds of the tournament will be TDM and TKOTH

e.g. Round 1 = TKOTH Round 2 TDM etc


About the servers, there are EU squads and US based squads. Who decides where to play, on which server? It would be rather unfair if EU teams would have to play in Chicago or Los Angeles servers. Or are we going to play one side of the round on a US server and other side on a EU server? So it evens out? As in a home and away match.
EU vs EU - UK services or Virgina ( TEAMS DECIDE )

US vs US - CHICAGO Services

US vs EU - Virginia Services




One of my members, named Miracle*DEA, is unable to join our team, he does not see a Join Team button where it's supposed to be, nor a Leave Team button, just nothing.
Item Fixed he was the users awaiting confirmation. Made him registered now he should be fine

[Milenko]

TDM is going to promote camping, all snipers. Shoot and hide. Just my two cents...

[talent]

First I want to thank you for you hard work to get this up. Good Job!

Little feedback I have is I am not sure why we would use TDM, TDM hasnt worked out as a respectable game type in matches or tournaments for sometime now. Have everyone spawn with snipers get one kill and be gone. You will see people us this. Not sure if I want any part of TDM.

Unless of course the rules are played to a point total. Like first to 100 points regardless of time limit.

Or we could just change tdm for CTF.

[killer21]

I actually agree that it would be more beneficial to run tkoth vice TDM.

[Phaethon]

I actuallt put up the TKOTH Versions of the maps already :)

[talent]

Talking about the actual tournament

[Ricosy]

Jup talent is correct in my opinion. I'm sure many would much rather see TKOTH and CTF, instead of anything that involves TDM.

We're here to play as a team, not to camp.

[Ninjaman]

I find it funny that people dont want TDM as a gametype because people might "camp". TDM and TKOTH were the two most popular gametypes for scrims in DFX. I've played in a lot of DFX TDM matches and maps and Admined a bunch more, I can assure you very little camping went on when we played. Camping in TKOTH - possibly. Camping in TDM - no. Ask any scrimming DFX squad like SS, SO, YwK or the like - you will get the same answer - TDM was very popular. Same with TKOTH. Virtually no one scrimmed CTF - think we played 1 CTF scrim and took part in one mixed CTF/TKOTH tournament, but even that was initially sold as including TDM as well.

DFX TDM scrims were usually played with a kill limit - 100 kills being the "standard" number.

As for the maps - why do we need PSPs in either. I'd rather see DFX style play - no PSP, just a series of spawn points for each team and about 400/500m between them.

[Milenko]

The only ways TDM would work is if you take a time off the maps or make the teams score to a certain point. If it was CQB, TDM would be fine. I personally like forced action. *soe* has played a lot of TDM macthes, however they aren't in Nova titles (Huge Maps), mostly in COD titles.

[Deathwish]

I would like to play CTF/ TKOTH. TDM is not my cup of tea, especially in these DFX2 maps.

[The Ripper*DEA]

TDM is going to promote camping, all snipers. Shoot and hide. Just my two cents...

Got the same oppinion like you. Most players will prone in the hills and without tracers, you haven't any chances to see them. Would be nice to see an TKOTH/CTF Tournament, but that's just a dream :)

[talent]

I find it funny that people dont want TDM as a gametype because people might "camp". TDM and TKOTH were the two most popular gametypes for scrims in DFX. I've played in a lot of DFX TDM matches and maps and Admined a bunch more, I can assure you very little camping went on when we played. Camping in TKOTH - possibly. Camping in TDM - no. Ask any scrimming DFX squad like SS, SO, YwK or the like - you will get the same answer - TDM was very popular. Same with TKOTH. Virtually no one scrimmed CTF - think we played 1 CTF scrim and took part in one mixed CTF/TKOTH tournament, but even that was initially sold as including TDM as well.

DFX TDM scrims were usually played with a kill limit - 100 kills being the "standard" number.

As for the maps - why do we need PSPs in either. I'd rather see DFX style play - no PSP, just a series of spawn points for each team and about 400/500m between them.

Little different when something is riding on it. If a team is up by a few and another team is coming back in this tourney you can rest a sure that the team that is up would stop respawning and move the heck out of harms way. Just a fact of gaming.

[Milenko]

Little different when something is riding on it. If a team is up by a few and another team is coming back in this tourney you can rest a sure that the team that is up would stop respawning and move the heck out of harms way. Just a fact of gaming.
werd, you would be a fool not to...

[fivewall]

Just remove the clock - first team to X kills wins. This should prevent extreme camping.

[Jason]

werd, you would be a fool not to...



While that might be true of some teams................ last tourney these guys held had the same prizes that this one has were on the lkine on the line (same amount of money etc, except gfx card was a $400 monitor) and no1 ran off and camped when they got ahead.

[The Ripper*DEA]

Maybe you can open a vote just for the squadleaders? Let's vote between CTF and TDM.

[Ninjaman]

TDM matches will have a kill limit of 100 kills. Tournament gametypes are TKOTH and TDM.

[Longtime]

Of course a team could run and hide, but lets be truthful they would never live it down :)

[Milenko]

The W is a W. It is all good, I was just posting my thoughts and as it looks many others.

[killer21]

Of course a team could run and hide, but lets be truthful they would never live it down :)
I would hope squads and players do not do this......

[talent]

Maybe you can open a vote just for the squadleaders? Let's vote between CTF and TDM.

I agree! Very good post!

[Milenko]

I agree! Very good post!
I couldn't resist.
I agree that you agree, and I agree about the voting post!
Next?

[Phaethon]

We are updating the rule set as to clear some of these matters

[Ricosy]

I couldn't resist.
I agree that you agree, and I agree about the voting post!
Next?


I agree that you agree to agree to him who agreed about the voting post!:cool:

[Xexys]

TDM matches will have a kill limit of 100 kills. Tournament gametypes are TKOTH and TDM.

100 kill limit? That averages out to about 12 kills per person on the winning side. Game will be too quick. You should consider increasing the kill limit to at least 175 or so if you keep the gametype.

[pst]

100 kill limit? That averages out to about 12 kills per person on the winning side. Game will be too quick. You should consider increasing the kill limit to at least 175 or so if you keep the gametype.

100 kills for one map is good! and TDM is that bomb :):D
Mostly you play 2 or 4 maps and then you will be bussy for like 2 hours maybe 1,5 if you are fast :p

But i would love some TDM YEAH!

[Toby]

I woudl love to CTF or Flagball as one of the game..

TDM in my opinion is boring.. No team work involved Lay some clays and camp it up..

CTF Flagball and TKOTH are the games of choice.. Squads MUST work together to win,

This tournament is supose to bring life to this game.. TDM is not the answer.

I think everyone has said they dont want TDM..


Either way.. Good job with the tourny..

Kutu is too busy.. the map is great for 20v20 but 8v8 TDM it will be horrid.
TKOTH it is fine the way it is.

T

[Ricosy]

I agree with Toby, I really don't understand why there's TDM in this tourney, sure some will like it, but I'm convinced that the majority (and we can already see that in this thread) does not want TDM in this tournament.

[pst]

I woudl love to CTF or Flagball as one of the game..

TDM in my opinion is boring.. No team work involved Lay some clays and camp it up..

CTF Flagball and TKOTH are the games of choice.. Squads MUST work together to win,

This tournament is supose to bring life to this game.. TDM is not the answer.

I think everyone has said they dont want TDM..


Either way.. Good job with the tourny..

Kutu is too busy.. the map is great for 20v20 but 8v8 TDM it will be horrid.
TKOTH it is fine the way it is.

T

TDM is not at all about camping and putting clays on the correct positions! TDM is about some little flanking the opponoment and who has the fastest reaction or best view at the enemy. The big difference between TDM and TKOTH is that an un-skilled TKOTH player can win an match because of his strategical knowledge but will never winn TDM because his aim is not good enough... TDM = about aim and little strategy where TKOTH is about strategy and just a little aim.

This also means that a good TDM team mostly will do better in TKOTH then a TKOTH team in TDM because when they get the zone they can just rape the enemy so they not get into the zone LOL :D

Atleast im happy with TDM and TKOTH for tourney!

[Milenko]

TDM is not at all about camping and putting clays on the correct positions! TDM is about some little flanking the opponoment and who has the fastest reaction or best view at the enemy. The big difference between TDM and TKOTH is that an un-skilled TKOTH player can win an match because of his strategical knowledge but will never winn TDM because his aim is not good enough... TDM = about aim and little strategy where TKOTH is about strategy and just a little aim.

This also means that a good TDM team mostly will do better in TKOTH then a TKOTH team in TDM because when they get the zone they can just rape the enemy so they not get into the zone LOL :D

Atleast im happy with TDM and TKOTH for tourney!

Everything you posted you can do in TKOTH, I don't think any team here cannot aim. I think majority of the teams here want to work as one. I think it is harder to occupy the zone then spending 20 minutes of the 30 minute map flanking around, to get your rape on.

[Ricosy]

Everything you posted you can do in TKOTH, I don't think any team here cannot aim.

Exactly, the difference is just teamplay. And I believe matches should be about teamplay at first sight. So therefor I prefer TKOTH and CTF, though actually one gametype a tournament would be better, but oh well.

I also wonder what gametype is going to be used in the final for example... if that's TDM, then no thanks I'll pass.

[Phaethon]

Working on this item now ... I hear you guys and will do what is best for you and the tourney.

[Milenko]

Working on this item now ... I hear you guys and will do what is best for you and the tourney.

Thanks Phae!

[Cki]

To say TDM doesn't require team work I would suggest those squads that think that way have had limited or no success in TDM tournaments. TKOTH turns into a nubfest with grenade launchers and at4's. Sure tkoth and CTF take team work but so does TDM, if you don't think so play a few maps with YWK, SOG, SS etc and watch how team work gets put to use. Keep TDM in the tournament, lets see how squads adapt at the various game types instead of bowing to their demands so they can only play what they are comfortable with. Why shut out the squads that enjoy TDM??

[Phaethon]

I will this at the minimum ... TDM will be in the tournament. Remember this tournament includes multiple game types as to asecertain a overall team to be called champion.

[Jason]

I woudl love to CTF or Flagball as one of the game..

TDM in my opinion is boring.. No team work involved Lay some clays and camp it up..

CTF Flagball and TKOTH are the games of choice.. Squads MUST work together to win,

This tournament is supose to bring life to this game.. TDM is not the answer.

I think everyone has said they dont want TDM..


Either way.. Good job with the tourny..

Kutu is too busy.. the map is great for 20v20 but 8v8 TDM it will be horrid.
TKOTH it is fine the way it is.

T

the way u described tdm makes me think of how people play tkoth, go to zone, lay clays and camp it up. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Whoevers found the best camping spot wins

[Milenko]

the way u described tdm makes me think of how people play tkoth, go to zone, lay clays and camp it up. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Whoevers found the best camping spot wins

LOL if thats the way you play TKOTH then i got 3 grenades for ya :cool:

[Jason]

LOL if thats the way you play TKOTH then i got 3 grenades for ya :cool:



lol same could be said with tdm then if thats your theory? Anyway you have to find the campers and avoid their clays before you can grenade them :p With the current maps its not hard to make it to the zone because theres just too much cover with cluttered buildings and rubbish everywhere

[Xexys]

I see in the rules section nothing on the respawn timer. It says all other settings will be on default. Is the default setting for respawn 10 seconds? Because it seems nobody can change this setting via wolfrat.

[Jason]

I see in the rules section nothing on the respawn timer. It says all other settings will be on default. Is the default setting for respawn 10 seconds? Because it seems nobody can change this setting via wolfrat.

Not everything can be done on wolfrat mate ;)

[Xexys]

Not everything can be done on wolfrat mate ;)

Thx but that's no help. Can I get an answer as to what the spawn timer is supposed to be set at? Strats will change considerably according to how many seconds the spawn timers are supposed to be set to. An official answer would be appreciated.

[Ninjaman]

Can I get an answer as to what the spawn timer is supposed to be set at? Strats will change considerably according to how many seconds the spawn timers are supposed to be set to. An official answer would be appreciated.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention - as you have noted its not listed in the current Server Setup definition in the rules. My copy of DFX 2 has a default of 5 seconds listed on the Respawn timer, so we will use that.

Respawn Timer = 5

This will be added to the revised rules.

[Cki]

Will there be PSP's in the maps during the tournament? Thanks

[pst]

Everything you posted you can do in TKOTH, I don't think any team here cannot aim. I think majority of the teams here want to work as one. I think it is harder to occupy the zone then spending 20 minutes of the 30 minute map flanking around, to get your rape on.
Think you miss the big difference between TDM and TKOTH... the goal of the matchtype... in TDM you work up to as many kills as possible and in TKOTH you try to occupy the zone as long as possible. Both gametypes require different gamestyles!

Don't understand me wrong, i like TKOTH and i played allot of TKOTH in JO, BHD, LW and DF1 but i also played allot of TDM just because TDM is pure aim and it shows just the team with the best aim and nothing more, a less skilled team regarding towards aim can still winn a TKOTH match... that would be almost impossible in TDM :D

Ohh and btw i love CTF to, played it allot in DF1 even won over °I° in a DFWorld semi final :D, sadly the final got played :(

So i will love all gametypes but i just wanted to state that TDM is equal towards TKOTh and should be in this tourney for sure!

thx, pst :p

[pst]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention - as you have noted its not listed in the current Server Setup definition in the rules. My copy of DFX 2 has a default of 5 seconds listed on the Respawn timer, so we will use that.

Respawn Timer = 5

This will be added to the revised rules.

Why use the 5 second delay instead of 0 second delay... won't this time delay be responsible for slower gameplay? :confused:

cheers, pst :p

[talent]

with psp's and respawn armor spawn timer is needed. You can kill a guy to take his psp then he respawns right when you are about to touch it with spawn armor. 5 second spawn timer is great. Good Job !

[Milenko]

Think you miss the big difference between TDM and TKOTH... the goal of the matchtype... in TDM you work up to as many kills as possible and in TKOTH you try to occupy the zone as long as possible. Both gametypes require different gamestyles!

Don't understand me wrong, i like TKOTH and i played allot of TKOTH in JO, BHD, LW and DF1 but i also played allot of TDM just because TDM is pure aim and it shows just the team with the best aim and nothing more, a less skilled team regarding towards aim can still winn a TKOTH match... that would be almost impossible in TDM

Ohh and btw i love CTF to, played it allot in DF1 even won over °I° in a DFWorld semi final, sadly the final got played :(

So i will love all gametypes but i just wanted to state that TDM is equal towards TKOTh and should be in this tourney for sure!

thx, pst :p

I understand your point, I just like forced action. :eek:
GL and see you on the battlefield! :cool:

[Ricosy]

with psp's and respawn armor spawn timer is needed. You can kill a guy to take his psp then he respawns right when you are about to touch it with spawn armor. 5 second spawn timer is great. Good Job !

Exactly, 5 is great, 0 would kill every match. It's absolutely pointless to state a spawntimer of 0 would benefit a match in DFX2.

[Xplode]

I do not favor TDM with the current maps but I think a kill limit (about 100) with no time limit is best option for TDM.

I ask that we include FB and CTF, this would truley be awesome.

So, another vote for FB and CTF.

[ShowMan.-II-.]

Actually, we are getting closer and closer to tip off. We need to get this thing nailed down. This was set as TKOTH and TDM combined. Is that still the gameplan? If it is what will be the exact map rotation and will we lead off with TKOTH or TDM? As for other gametypes, let's get this tourney out of the way then fire up another one with CTF and Flag ball.